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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2012.06.27 00:34:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:It's okay to call someone stupid, as long as they are stupid and you can back that statement up with a witty post, such as pointing out a nameless-yet-well-known player's prior history as a roleplaying spacehooker.
Which becomes an issue when "said history" is a Goonswarm fabrication for a campaign for harrassment that has in the past completely swept beyond these forums into the realm of RL cyber-stalking and poison pen letters to employers. Let me be totally blunt to you Mara Tessidar. Your alliance mates made up the nonsense you are happily posting. As far as I know nobody in Eve has roleplayed a "spacehooker" and you continuing to peddle a clumsy lie just seems like desperate attempted bluster every time you end up losing a debate or argument on these forums.
Sometimes you just need to stop and think about what you are posting rather than blindly echoing the things posted on your alliance wiki. Posting RL pictues of eve players there and accusing them of child abuse and pedophilia might well be an accepted practise on Something Awful forums but continually attempting to smear the RL reputations of eve players is not something these forums should be a party to.
At this point you are the problem Mara Tessidar. And you are exactly the sort of person whose behaviour needs moderating on Eve online forums.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2012.06.27 12:13:00 -
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Nastrado wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:
I know nobody in Eve has roleplayed a "spacehooker" and you continuing to peddle a clumsy lie just seems like desperate attempted bluster every time you end up losing a debate or argument on these forums.
That's right not a space hooker just the madame of a space brothel with your the alts all being "receptionists" at said brothel http://web.archive.org/web/20040724180503/http://www.mordante.demon.co.uk/Maison.htm
Also lies - also told by Goonswarm and also repeated on your wiki. As I said earlier. This behaviour on the part of your alliance is a direct example of the problem with these forums and the way lax moderation has allowed you to stalk and bully people out of the game by spreading rumours and making personal attack posts. You've linked a website that was hosted by goons alongside a letter sent to my employers in 2008 that coupled with a nasty little set of allegations was intended to embarrass me in the RL workplace as part of an election smear campaign.
This becomes an issue for everyone really this kind of Goonswarm fabrication sweeps beyond these forums into the realm of RL cyber-stalking and poison pen letters to employers. Your alliance mates made up the nonsense you are happily posting. As far as I know nobody in Eve has roleplayed a "spacehooker" a "cyber-brothel madame" and certainly not I or my "alts" (lol tbh when you look at those names) and you continuing to peddle a clumsy lie that just seems like desperate attempted bluster every time you end up losing a debate or argument on these forums.
Sometimes you just need to stop and think about what you are posting rather than blindly echoing the things posted on your alliance wiki. Posting RL pictues of eve players there and accusing them of child abuse and pedophilia might well be an accepted practise on Something Awful forums but continually attempting to smear the RL reputations of eve players is not something these forums should be a party to.
At this point you are the problem. And you are exactly the sort of person whose behaviour needs moderating on Eve online forums if the environment is to be improved for everyone.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2012.06.27 12:19:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Mara Tessidar wrote:It's okay to call someone stupid, as long as they are stupid and you can back that statement up with a witty post, such as pointing out a nameless-yet-well-known player's prior history as a roleplaying spacehooker. Which becomes an issue when "said history" is a Goonswarm fabrication for a campaign for harrassment that has in the past completely swept beyond these forums into the realm of RL cyber-stalking and poison pen letters to employers. Let me be totally blunt to you Mara Tessidar. Your alliance mates made up the nonsense you are happily posting. As far as I know nobody in Eve has roleplayed a "spacehooker" and you continuing to peddle a clumsy lie just seems like desperate attempted bluster every time you end up losing a debate or argument on these forums. Sometimes you just need to stop and think about what you are posting rather than blindly echoing the things posted on your alliance wiki. Posting RL pictues of eve players there and accusing them of child abuse and pedophilia might well be an accepted practise on Something Awful forums but continually attempting to smear the RL reputations of eve players is not something these forums should be a party to. At this point you are the problem Mara Tessidar. And you are exactly the sort of person whose behaviour needs moderating on Eve online forums if the environment is to be improved for everyone. You have committed--would have committed, even if you had never set pen to paper, or finger to key--the essential crime that contains all others in itself. Thoughtcrime, we call it. Thoughtcrime is not a thing that can be concealed forever. You might dodge successfully for a while, even for years, but sooner or later we are bound to get you.
And you have committed repeat attempts to smear the RL reputation of a fellow Eve player over political differences in an online game. Lets sit back and think about that for a moment. Because of internet spaceships you are hosting a RL picture of an "enemy eve player" alongside the allegation they molest children. Thats pretty much "out-there" and shows you people are taking an online game to a ridiculous degree.
Goonswarm "Propaganda"
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2012.06.27 12:42:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote: As I've told you before Jade, you're in no position to be throwing stones on this issue since the same happened to CCP Sreegs in his former job after he clashed with you on these very forums and the CSM. You're trying to have your cake and eat it: Somebody goes to your employer and tells them embarrassing stories about what you supposedly do on the internet, you yell from every rooftop that its a Goonswarm conspiracy and we as an alliance are collectively to blame. Somebody does the same to Sreegs and you throw your hands up and say 'nothing to do with me or my alliance, could have been anyone, its a big internet out there'.
Of course what actually happened is that I condemed both incidents without reservation and I recently said as much in the assembly hall topic on subject. "
Proposal] CSM Member Real Life Names
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=89537&p=7
I condemn without reservation attacks on a persons real life identity. In this case I'm pretty much on the money to blame Goonswarm for this action seeing as how the same posters are making the same allegations, linking the same links and hosting the same vile allegations of child abuse on the goon wiki!
Here's the text from my support of Liang Nuren's proposal.
"As a player who has suffered my fair share of real life harrassment from Goonswarm (and friends) ever since my real name was provided to the community as part of my successful CSM 1 run, I could certainly see the argument for going back in time and reversing this policy.
In retrospect sure, the fact my real name was provided to enemies in Eve allowed some people to search for my online CV, take my pictures, find my employers past and current and begin an organized campaign of harrassment against my real identity. Sites were created specifically to portray me in the worst possible light and links were provided to my place of work along with letters perporting to be from "concerned parents" that a person like me should be playing an online game.
Even today real life photograph is hosted on the goonwiki alongside the accusation I'm putting GHB into children's drinks.
So yes, real life harrassment does certainly arise from the fact that CSM candidates are required to give their real names because some subscribers to this game are completely incapable of keeping their animosity to in-game only behaviour.
At this point I will support your topic to remove people's real life names from the process on the provisio it goes further and makes any unauthorized link to somebody's personal detals, photographs a eula breaching offence punishable by a signifcant ban.
Out of game harrassment/bullying must be completely outlawed in Eve online if this game is to repair its toxic reputation in the wider gaming community
And incidently I would like to call upon the administrators of the goonwiki to remove all reference to my rl photograph and allegations of criminal activity otherwise I will again petition the GM's at CCP to take action in this case. "
If this current topic is a sign that CCP is finally going to take action to outlaw this kind of behaviour from the main Eve Online forums then thats a very good development.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
2547
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Posted - 2012.06.27 12:44:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:I have deleted posts which are off topic for this discussion. Jade and Goons, cut it out on this thread.
Thank you.
Navigator, I'm sorry that this argument keeps coming back. But is it really off topic for a friend about the future of community moderation to talk about a recurring form of bullying and smearing that has been going on since 2008?
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2012.06.27 13:00:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Jade if it concerns you that much and as I noted he had a picture of someone(Supposedly you) on it just contact the Host and have them kill the site. It isn't hosted in a country immune to laws.
I have written 3 different letters to the host. All have been ignored. I have reported the site to my local authorities and unfortunately there is literally nothing they can do. I have also had lengthy discussions with eve GM's through the petition system that have not even been able to block links from this site.
Frankly - short of well ... talking about this. I'm not sure what else can be done?
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2012.06.27 13:21:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Jade if it concerns you that much and as I noted he had a picture of someone(Supposedly you) on it just contact the Host and have them kill the site. It isn't hosted in a country immune to laws. I have written 3 different letters to the host. All have been ignored. I have reported the site to my local authorities and unfortunately there is literally nothing they can do. I have also had lengthy discussions with eve GM's through the petition system that have not even been able to block links from this site. Frankly - short of well ... talking about this. I'm not sure what else can be done? Just send the Host a demand to close the site within 24 hours and demand payment for the publishing of a picture without license to do so. Then just ask for a mere 5 cents per raw visitor to the site from the host for the entire time they have hosted it(the logs show exactly this). Failing that contact a lawyer as you have a case on royalties alone for the picture, it also falls under copyright infringement. That's just ignoring the other stuff of course.
Well thus far they haven't even responded to my mails, as far as I can tell the registrar for the domain is http://tucowsinc.com/contact/ but the admin email given for the host is some really dodgy looking email address with a telephone number (which doesn't pickup) in Canada.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
2547
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Posted - 2012.06.27 13:38:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Well thus far they haven't even responded to my mails, as far as I can tell the registrar for the domain is http://tucowsinc.com/contact/ but the admin email given for the host is some really dodgy looking email address with a telephone number (which doesn't pickup) in Canada. Details for http://crackerjax.org sent via ingame mail as everyone doesn't need to know if you need more help feel free to send me an ingame mail.
Thank you, I'll get a letter in the post to those people today. Much appreciated.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2012.07.12 15:31:00 -
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I've lost the thread of the argument here a bit. Are people being upset that they have trolling snipped out of threads now - or is it a genuine concern that they have feedback or criticism for CCP snipped out of threads?
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